Presidents do not have the write to rewrite the law

"badgolferman" wrote in message

> Jeff, 3/2/2008,7:41:56 PM, wrote:
>
>> <http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/1F98783B2349A92188257
>> 3FF001C0B4C/$file/0855054.pdf?openelement>
>> <http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5goz_Z25ZPQRrtMIiy8YP0RX5FGsg>
>>
>> The 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled that the Navy can't break the
>> law even if the President says they can.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> I wish the Navy would use their sonar equipment on the 9th Circuit
> Court of Appeals and see if they can find anything inside the head of
> those judges.


Why's that? Do you have some information about whales and sonar that the
judges haven't been made aware of?
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JoeSpareBedroom, 3/2/2008,10:46:58 PM, wrote:

> "badgolferman" wrote in message
>
> > Jeff, 3/2/2008,7:41:56 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > <http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/1F98783B2349A9218
> > > 8257 3FF001C0B4C/$file/0855054.pdf?openelement>
> > > <http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5goz_Z25ZPQRrtMIiy8YP0RX5FGsg>
> > >
> > > The 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled that the Navy can't break
> > > the law even if the President says they can.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> >
> > I wish the Navy would use their sonar equipment on the 9th Circuit
> > Court of Appeals and see if they can find anything inside the head
> > of those judges.
>
>
> Why's that? Do you have some information about whales and sonar that
> the judges haven't been made aware of?

Don't get me wrong, I love whales. They taste just like chicken.
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badgolferman wrote:
> Jeff, 3/2/2008,7:41:56 PM, wrote:
>
>> <http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/1F98783B2349A92188257
>> 3FF001C0B4C/$file/0855054.pdf?openelement>
>> <http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5goz_Z25ZPQRrtMIiy8YP0RX5FGsg>
>>
>> The 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled that the Navy can't break the
>> law even if the President says they can.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> I wish the Navy would use their sonar equipment on the 9th Circuit
> Court of Appeals and see if they can find anything inside the head of
> those judges.

Instead of attacking the judges, why don't you show why the judges'
opinion was wrong?

Besides, you should know that SONAR won't penetrate anyone's skull. You
need MRI or CT scans for that.

Jeff
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Jeff, 3/2/2008,10:49:57 PM, wrote:

> badgolferman wrote:
> > Jeff, 3/2/2008,7:41:56 PM, wrote:
> >
> > > <http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/1F98783B2349A9218
> > > 8257 3FF001C0B4C/$file/0855054.pdf?openelement>
> > > <http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5goz_Z25ZPQRrtMIiy8YP0RX5FGsg>
> > >
> > > The 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled that the Navy can't break
> > > the law even if the President says they can.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> >
> > I wish the Navy would use their sonar equipment on the 9th Circuit
> > Court of Appeals and see if they can find anything inside the head
> > of those judges.
>
> Instead of attacking the judges, why don't you show why the judges'
> opinion was wrong?

I don't have to. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has been put in
their place on a regular basis by the Supreme Court.

You're an evolutionist, right? If the whales don't like the noise
maybe they'll start growing earmuffs to filter it out.

BY the way, how is the spotted owl doing these days?
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"badgolferman" wrote in message

> JoeSpareBedroom, 3/2/2008,10:46:58 PM, wrote:
>
>> "badgolferman" wrote in message
>>
>> > Jeff, 3/2/2008,7:41:56 PM, wrote:
>> >
>> > > <http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/1F98783B2349A9218
>> > > 8257 3FF001C0B4C/$file/0855054.pdf?openelement>
>> > > <http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5goz_Z25ZPQRrtMIiy8YP0RX5FGsg>
>> > >
>> > > The 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled that the Navy can't break
>> > > the law even if the President says they can.
>> > >
>> > > Jeff
>> >
>> > I wish the Navy would use their sonar equipment on the 9th Circuit
>> > Court of Appeals and see if they can find anything inside the head
>> > of those judges.
>>
>>
>> Why's that? Do you have some information about whales and sonar that
>> the judges haven't been made aware of?
>
> Don't get me wrong, I love whales. They taste just like chicken.


Oh. You're drunk again.
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JoeSpareBedroom, 3/2/2008,11:11:04 PM, wrote:

> "badgolferman" wrote in message
>
> > JoeSpareBedroom, 3/2/2008,10:46:58 PM, wrote:
> >
> >>"badgolferman" wrote in message
> > >
> >>> Jeff, 3/2/2008,7:41:56 PM, wrote:
> > > >
> >>> >
> <http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/1F98783B2349A9218
> >>> > 8257 3FF001C0B4C/$file/0855054.pdf?openelement> >>> >
> <http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5goz_Z25ZPQRrtMIiy8YP0RX5FGsg>
> >>> > >>> > The 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled that the Navy
> can't break >>> > the law even if the President says they can.
> >>> >
> >>> > Jeff
> > > >
> >>> I wish the Navy would use their sonar equipment on the 9th Circuit
> >>> Court of Appeals and see if they can find anything inside the head
> >>> of those judges.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why's that? Do you have some information about whales and sonar
> > > that the judges haven't been made aware of?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I love whales. They taste just like chicken.
>
>
> Oh. You're drunk again.

I don't get drunk. I do get hungry though.
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"witfal" wrote in message
> On 2008-03-02 19:27:01 -0800, Jeff said:
>>> Bottom line: I suspect this is just junk science being used by
>>> extremist anti-military types. We'll see.
>>
>> The science is not behind it is not the question. The questions are, "Can
>> the President write an executive order that overrides a federal law?" and
>> "Can the Navy or the military ignore laws in the name of national
>> defense?"
>
> As far as enforcement is concerned, yes. I was speaking of the original
> lawsuit and those who filed it.
>
>> The National Research Defense Council, the International Fund for Animal
>> Welfar, Cetacian Society, International, League for Coast Protection,
>> Ocean Futures Society and Jean-Michelle Cousteau (I think a family member
>> of Jacques Cousteau) are the plaintiffs-appellees and the California
>> Coastal Commission is the intervenor-appellee. While none of them are in
>> favor of the military, I don't beleive that they are anti-military
>> either.
>>
>> I read about the problem with the whales and lawsuit in _Science_
>> magazine. I believe that the scientific evidence that the whales are
>> harmed by the whales is very good, based on these and other readings.
>>
>> You can find a google search and find the 9th circuir court and find the
>> actual opinion (the case is something like NRDC vs. Winter) easily.
>>
>> You can also find the ruling for the central district of CA on the
>> internet.
>
> Perhaps you can show me where your aforementioned groups have issued at
> least press briefs condemning the navies of other countries for the same
> sonar use.
>

Perhaps other countries don't have this type of sonar. Russia, maybe. From
what I recall reading, it's a particular type, relatively new.
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Does the court expect us to believe it is better to let people kill American
than for Americans to possibly kill a whale?





"witfal" wrote in message
> On 2008-03-02 17:42:07 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> said:
>
>> "witfal" wrote in message
>>> On 2008-03-02 16:54:05 -0800, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> "Jeff Strickland" wrote in
> Not in and of itself. The jury's still out on that one. But the 9th has
> very often stepped on its own appendage by overstepping what's judicially
> permissable.
>
> Bottom line: I suspect this is just junk science being used by extremist
> anti-military types. We'll see.
>
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witfal wrote:
> On 2008-03-02 19:21:54 -0800, Jeff said:
>
>>> U.S. laws apply on the open seas?
>>
>> US laws apply to US-registered vessels, especially when they are part
>> of the US Navy.
>
> Maritime law is pretty strange stuff.

We're not talking about maritime law, but laws that apply to the US Navy
and President.
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witfal wrote:
> On 2008-03-02 19:27:01 -0800, Jeff said:
>>> Bottom line: I suspect this is just junk science being used by
>>> extremist anti-military types. We'll see.
>>
>> The science is not behind it is not the question. The questions are,
>> "Can the President write an executive order that overrides a federal
>> law?" and "Can the Navy or the military ignore laws in the name of
>> national defense?"
>
> As far as enforcement is concerned, yes. I was speaking of the original
> lawsuit and those who filed it.
>
>> The National Research Defense Council, the International Fund for
>> Animal Welfar, Cetacian Society, International, League for Coast
>> Protection, Ocean Futures Society and Jean-Michelle Cousteau (I think
>> a family member of Jacques Cousteau) are the plaintiffs-appellees and
>> the California Coastal Commission is the intervenor-appellee. While
>> none of them are in favor of the military, I don't beleive that they
>> are anti-military either.
>>
>> I read about the problem with the whales and lawsuit in _Science_
>> magazine. I believe that the scientific evidence that the whales are
>> harmed by the whales is very good, based on these and other readings.
>>
>> You can find a google search and find the 9th circuir court and find
>> the actual opinion (the case is something like NRDC vs. Winter) easily.
>>
>> You can also find the ruling for the central district of CA on the
>> internet.
>
> Perhaps you can show me where your aforementioned groups have issued at
> least press briefs condemning the navies of other countries for the same
> sonar use.

Perhaps you can use Google yourself.

This has nothing to do with foreign Navies. This has to do with the
President and Navy following US law.

jeff
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"witfal" wrote in message

> On 2008-03-03 04:26:03 -0800, Jeff said:
>
>> witfal wrote:
>>> On 2008-03-02 19:27:01 -0800, Jeff said:
>>>>> Bottom line: I suspect this is just junk science being used by
>>>>> extremist anti-military types. We'll see.
>>>>
>>>> The science is not behind it is not the question. The questions are,
>>>> "Can the President write an executive order that overrides a federal
>>>> law?" and "Can the Navy or the military ignore laws in the name of
>>>> national defense?"
>>>
>>> As far as enforcement is concerned, yes. I was speaking of the original
>>> lawsuit and those who filed it.
>>>
>>>> The National Research Defense Council, the International Fund for
>>>> Animal Welfar, Cetacian Society, International, League for Coast
>>>> Protection, Ocean Futures Society and Jean-Michelle Cousteau (I think a
>>>> family member of Jacques Cousteau) are the plaintiffs-appellees and the
>>>> California Coastal Commission is the intervenor-appellee. While none of
>>>> them are in favor of the military, I don't beleive that they are
>>>> anti-military either.
>>>>
>>>> I read about the problem with the whales and lawsuit in _Science_
>>>> magazine. I believe that the scientific evidence that the whales are
>>>> harmed by the whales is very good, based on these and other readings.
>>>>
>>>> You can find a google search and find the 9th circuir court and find
>>>> the actual opinion (the case is something like NRDC vs. Winter) easily.
>>>>
>>>> You can also find the ruling for the central district of CA on the
>>>> internet.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you can show me where your aforementioned groups have issued at
>>> least press briefs condemning the navies of other countries for the same
>>> sonar use.
>>
>> Perhaps you can use Google yourself.
>>
>> This has nothing to do with foreign Navies. This has to do with the
>> President and Navy following US law.
>
> Since you've pointed that out already, I wasn't denying it. Don't get
> touchy.
>
> But you've got to admit that fringe groups do tend to pick only on the
> U.S. to the exclusion of our enemies.
>


The likely reasons are virtually guaranteed to NOT be the one(s) you're
thinking of.
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