OEM Tires, Optional OEM tires, and totally off-the-wall ti..

"Hachiroku ????" wrote in message

> My '89 Mazda 626:
> I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find,

I cringed when I saw these words, Hachi, because a tire is the last type of
ANY product where it's a good idea to go on the cheap. Buy cheap motor
oil, cheap beer, cheap underwear, and cheap laundry detergent, and though
they may not be as good as the name brand, they'll get the job done, and
most importantly, they won't kill you. Cheap tires can, have and will kill
people.
Buy day old bread, margarine instead of butter, and second hand shirts from
Goodwill, but overpay for your tires. One blowout or tread separation at
highway speed, and you won't have to worry about anything any more....ever.
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:06:41 -0700, mack wrote:

>
> "Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
>
>> My '89 Mazda 626:
>> I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find,
>
> I cringed when I saw these words, Hachi, because a tire is the last type
> of ANY product where it's a good idea to go on the cheap. Buy cheap
> motor oil, cheap beer, cheap underwear, and cheap laundry detergent, and
> though they may not be as good as the name brand, they'll get the job
> done, and most importantly, they won't kill you. Cheap tires can, have
> and will kill people.
> Buy day old bread, margarine instead of butter, and second hand shirts
> from Goodwill, but overpay for your tires. One blowout or tread
> separation at highway speed, and you won't have to worry about anything
> any more....ever.

I cringed when I bought them.

And I was REALLY steamed when, one week after putting the cheapest "All
Season" tires I could on what was to be a winter car, Sears put real,
honest to goodness Winter Goodyears on sale in the same size for $35 each...
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:32:48 -0700, EdV wrote:

> Did you use the same tire pressure?

Um, somewhat...

The old tires were rated for 44 PSI, I kept them at ~40.

These are rated for 35, and they are at 35.



>
> On Sep 2, 10:05 pm, Hachiroku wrote:
>> My '89 Mazda 626:
>>
>> The recommended tires were 185/70-14. I replaced them with the same
>> size. Acceleration was OK at best, and poor going up hills. Also, the
>> amount of sidewall flex made for poor cornering.
>>
>> I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find, a $29
>> "loss leader" from a regional tire place. One went flat last week, and I
>> found a crack in the tread at the sidewall. NG...
>>
>> So, I had some 185/60-14s hanging around and had them mounted. WOW!!!
>> The acceleration is amazing, even going uphill in 4th gear (I had to
>> downshift to 3rd before...). Handling is 100% better, and the odometer
>> is finally right (it was 5% off (-) before...)
>>
>> Any comments? I haven't been able to 'calibrate' the speedo yet. Even
>> though the odometer was off before, the speedo was correct according to
>> three different radar 'speed reminders' they put by the side of the
>> road, and a couple of 'official' radar readings as well...
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Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:06:41 -0700, mack wrote:
>
>
>>"Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>My '89 Mazda 626:
>>>I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find,
>>
>>I cringed when I saw these words, Hachi, because a tire is the last type
>>of ANY product where it's a good idea to go on the cheap. Buy cheap
>>motor oil, cheap beer, cheap underwear, and cheap laundry detergent, and
>>though they may not be as good as the name brand, they'll get the job
>>done, and most importantly, they won't kill you. Cheap tires can, have
>>and will kill people.
>>Buy day old bread, margarine instead of butter, and second hand shirts
>>from Goodwill, but overpay for your tires. One blowout or tread
>>separation at highway speed, and you won't have to worry about anything
>>any more....ever.
>
>
> I cringed when I bought them.
>
> And I was REALLY steamed when, one week after putting the cheapest "All
> Season" tires I could on what was to be a winter car, Sears put real,
> honest to goodness Winter Goodyears on sale in the same size for $35 each...
>

Why? They likely weren't any better than what you bought.

nate

(not a big fan of Goodyear tires)


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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article ...
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:32:48 -0700, EdV wrote:
>
> > Did you use the same tire pressure?
>
> Um, somewhat...
>
> The old tires were rated for 44 PSI, I kept them at ~40.
>
> These are rated for 35, and they are at 35.
>
>
>



Given the size tire you're talking about, I would tend to believe that you
are running them WAY overinflated for the size car they are mounted on. No
wonder they don't feel right!

Try running them at the car manufacturer's recommended pressures.

BTW - The figure on the tire sidewall isn't the tire pressure "rating". It
is the MAXIMUM pressure to be used when subjecting the tire to its MAXIMUM
loads.

Normal, every day tire pressures are usually quite a bit lower.
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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message

> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> Winter Goodyears on sale in the same size for $35 each...
>>
>
> Why? They likely weren't any better than what you bought.
>
> nate
>
> (not a big fan of Goodyear tires)

I echo that sentiment, Nate.
And $35 is pretty cheap, for any type of "skin". I wouldnt risk my life
on that sort of rubber
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Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

> My '89 Mazda 626:
>
> The recommended tires were 185/70-14. I replaced them with the same size.
> Acceleration was OK at best, and poor going up hills. Also, the amount of
> sidewall flex made for poor cornering.
>
> I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find, a $29
> "loss leader" from a regional tire place. One went flat last week, and I
> found a crack in the tread at the sidewall. NG...
>
> So, I had some 185/60-14s hanging around and had them mounted. WOW!!! The
> acceleration is amazing, even going uphill in 4th gear (I had to downshift
> to 3rd before...). Handling is 100% better, and the odometer is finally
> right (it was 5% off (-) before...)


That change in size shouldn't make any significant difference in
acceleration. Simply not enough diameter change to affect the ratio
much. Yes, the odometer will see the change, but not the "seat of the
pants" or "assometer."

Based on your other post, I think you were running the previous tires
GROSSLY over-inflated. 40 PSI on a light vehicle is ridiculous. Go with
whatever the placard on the vehicle says, ignore the "maximum pressure"
ratings on the tire.
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:32:05 -0500, * wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote in article ...
>> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:32:48 -0700, EdV wrote:
>>
>> > Did you use the same tire pressure?
>>
>> Um, somewhat...
>>
>> The old tires were rated for 44 PSI, I kept them at ~40.
>>
>> These are rated for 35, and they are at 35.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Given the size tire you're talking about, I would tend to believe that you
> are running them WAY overinflated for the size car they are mounted on. No
> wonder they don't feel right!
>
> Try running them at the car manufacturer's recommended pressures.
>
> BTW - The figure on the tire sidewall isn't the tire pressure "rating". It
> is the MAXIMUM pressure to be used when subjecting the tire to its MAXIMUM
> loads.
>
> Normal, every day tire pressures are usually quite a bit lower.


I always run my tires at or near full rated pressure. Have been for years!
I have never had any serious tire issues, and I get an extra mile or two
per gallon. I don't mind the ride (actually, I like the 'seat of the
pants' feel from fully inflated tires...)

I have had a couple sets of the tires I put on the Mazda, Akuret
Performance, made by Ohtsu in Japan. Very good tire. I have always run
them at max pressure, and have had no problems with them!
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=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= wrote:
>My '89 Mazda 626:
>
>The recommended tires were 185/70-14. I replaced them with the same size.
>Acceleration was OK at best, and poor going up hills. Also, the amount of
>sidewall flex made for poor cornering.
>
>I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find, a $29
>"loss leader" from a regional tire place. One went flat last week, and I
>found a crack in the tread at the sidewall. NG...

Okay, so you bought lousy tires, and you noticed the handling was poor
and the didn't last long.

>So, I had some 185/60-14s hanging around and had them mounted. WOW!!! The
>acceleration is amazing, even going uphill in 4th gear (I had to downshift
>to 3rd before...). Handling is 100% better, and the odometer is finally
>right (it was 5% off (-) before...)

So you noticed that even with the incorrect tires on the car, good quality
tires perform a whole lot better than $29 specials.

>Any comments? I haven't been able to 'calibrate' the speedo yet. Even
>though the odometer was off before, the speedo was correct according to
>three different radar 'speed reminders' they put by the side of the road,
>and a couple of 'official' radar readings as well...

I think your differences have a lot more to do with the quality of the tires
than with the tire size. Tire size makes some difference, sure. But
lousy tires are just lousy.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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On Sep 3, 10:58 am, Hachiroku wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:06:30 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
> > Hachiroku wrote:
> >> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:06:41 -0700, mack wrote:
>
> >>>"Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
> >>>
>
> >>>>My '89 Mazda 626:
> >>>>I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find,
>
> >>>I cringed when I saw these words, Hachi, because a tire is the last type
> >>>of ANY product where it's a good idea to go on the cheap. Buy cheap
> >>>motor oil, cheap beer, cheap underwear, and cheap laundry detergent, and
> >>>though they may not be as good as the name brand, they'll get the job
> >>>done, and most importantly, they won't kill you. Cheap tires can, have
> >>>and will kill people.
> >>>Buy day old bread, margarine instead of butter, and second hand shirts
> >>>from Goodwill, but overpay for your tires. One blowout or tread
> >>>separation at highway speed, and you won't have to worry about anything
> >>>any more....ever.
>
> >> I cringed when I bought them.
>
> >> And I was REALLY steamed when, one week after putting the cheapest "All
> >> Season" tires I could on what was to be a winter car, Sears put real,
> >> honest to goodness Winter Goodyears on sale in the same size for $35
> >> each...
>
> > Why? They likely weren't any better than what you bought.
>
> > nate
>
> > (not a big fan of Goodyear tires)
>
> It turns out these are Mastercraft tires...made in China
>
> http://www.mastercrafttires.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=Pas...
>
> But I would have still rather had Goodyear. They probably came with a
> better warranty.

That may as well be, but the Goodyear "Integrity" on my company car
are about the worst tires I have ever driven on. The Continental all-
seasons that came stock on my '02 GTI were pretty bad, but I think
these are actually worse. Either that, or the Impala's suspension
geometry just sucks.

nate
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:14:27 -0500, Steve wrote:

> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>
>> My '89 Mazda 626:
>>
>> The recommended tires were 185/70-14. I replaced them with the same
>> size. Acceleration was OK at best, and poor going up hills. Also, the
>> amount of sidewall flex made for poor cornering.
>>
>> I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find, a $29
>> "loss leader" from a regional tire place. One went flat last week, and I
>> found a crack in the tread at the sidewall. NG...
>>
>> So, I had some 185/60-14s hanging around and had them mounted. WOW!!!
>> The acceleration is amazing, even going uphill in 4th gear (I had to
>> downshift to 3rd before...). Handling is 100% better, and the odometer
>> is finally right (it was 5% off (-) before...)
>
>
> That change in size shouldn't make any significant difference in
> acceleration. Simply not enough diameter change to affect the ratio much.
> Yes, the odometer will see the change, but not the "seat of the pants" or
> "assometer."
>
> Based on your other post, I think you were running the previous tires
> GROSSLY over-inflated. 40 PSI on a light vehicle is ridiculous. Go with
> whatever the placard on the vehicle says, ignore the "maximum pressure"
> ratings on the tire.


There is a real, noticable difference. It's like a different car. Last
night I even accelerated up a hill in 5th gear. There are a couple hills I
was unable to drive up in 4th gear because of the curves, and had to shift
to 3rd to gather momentum to get up the hill. I can take it in 4th no
problem. Of course, because of the stiffer sidewall, I can get into the
corner a bit faster, too.

The difference is amazing. Also, I use this car for a job, and I have to
pay for fuel, so I want all the mileage I can get.
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:14:27 -0500, Steve wrote:
>
>> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>>
>>> My '89 Mazda 626:
>>>
>>> The recommended tires were 185/70-14. I replaced them with the same
>>> size. Acceleration was OK at best, and poor going up hills. Also, the
>>> amount of sidewall flex made for poor cornering.
>>>
>>> I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find, a $29
>>> "loss leader" from a regional tire place. One went flat last week, and I
>>> found a crack in the tread at the sidewall. NG...
>>>
>>> So, I had some 185/60-14s hanging around and had them mounted. WOW!!!
>>> The acceleration is amazing, even going uphill in 4th gear (I had to
>>> downshift to 3rd before...). Handling is 100% better, and the odometer
>>> is finally right (it was 5% off (-) before...)
>>
>> That change in size shouldn't make any significant difference in
>> acceleration. Simply not enough diameter change to affect the ratio much.
>> Yes, the odometer will see the change, but not the "seat of the pants" or
>> "assometer."
>>
>> Based on your other post, I think you were running the previous tires
>> GROSSLY over-inflated. 40 PSI on a light vehicle is ridiculous. Go with
>> whatever the placard on the vehicle says, ignore the "maximum pressure"
>> ratings on the tire.
>
>
> There is a real, noticable difference. It's like a different car. Last
> night I even accelerated up a hill in 5th gear. There are a couple hills I
> was unable to drive up in 4th gear because of the curves, and had to shift
> to 3rd to gather momentum to get up the hill. I can take it in 4th no
> problem. Of course, because of the stiffer sidewall, I can get into the
> corner a bit faster, too.
>
> The difference is amazing. Also, I use this car for a job, and I have to
> pay for fuel, so I want all the mileage I can get.
>

Well lets see, you had tire failures due to the higher air pressure in
the new tires, but that didn't teach you to lower it. Maybe the head on
crash from the poor contact patch on these tires will do it.

The tire sidewall pressure is the MAXIMUM that tire can withstand NOT
the pressure you run them at. You get sidewall splits, increased tread
wear in the center, less resistance to tire damage, easier puncture
damage (and usually worse damage due to the higher pressure), Less
braking ability, poor cornering in the rain (if you can even turn with
the reduced tire contact).

Wait till you hit a wet spot and try to brake.. Slip Slidin' Away are
not just song lyrics.

Oh and if you believe that the extra air pressure saves you more gas
over the cost of replacing the tires, I have this neat tornado gizmo and
a couple magnets for you as well...

And another small item, The speedo and the odometer operate from the
SAME drive gear. If one is wrong they BOTH are wrong.


--
Steve W.
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 08:06:30 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:

> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 22:06:41 -0700, mack wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Hachiroku ????" wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>My '89 Mazda 626:
>>>>I replaced the original tires with the cheapest ones I could find,
>>>
>>>I cringed when I saw these words, Hachi, because a tire is the last type
>>>of ANY product where it's a good idea to go on the cheap. Buy cheap
>>>motor oil, cheap beer, cheap underwear, and cheap laundry detergent, and
>>>though they may not be as good as the name brand, they'll get the job
>>>done, and most importantly, they won't kill you. Cheap tires can, have
>>>and will kill people.
>>>Buy day old bread, margarine instead of butter, and second hand shirts
>>>from Goodwill, but overpay for your tires. One blowout or tread
>>>separation at highway speed, and you won't have to worry about anything
>>>any more....ever.
>>
>>
>> I cringed when I bought them.
>>
>> And I was REALLY steamed when, one week after putting the cheapest "All
>> Season" tires I could on what was to be a winter car, Sears put real,
>> honest to goodness Winter Goodyears on sale in the same size for $35
>> each...
>>
>>
> Why? They likely weren't any better than what you bought.
>
> nate
>
> (not a big fan of Goodyear tires)


It turns out these are Mastercraft tires...made in China

http://www.mastercrafttires.com/us/en/ProductDetails.asp?ProdType=Pass...er&id=2

But I would have still rather had Goodyear. They probably came with a
better warranty.
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